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#1 MikeK6

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Posted 15 August 2011 - 04:54 PM

I found this cartridge in July of 2011 on the shore-line of the Neva river just up-stream from Otradnoye outside of St. Petersburg. My Russian in-law father says it's German. The cartridge had deformation on the far-side, - which leads me to believe it was the cause of a gun jam. Even my in-laws now use the German concrete bunker as a storage shed.

Any ideas as to whether it's Russian or German? And what gun could have it come from. Not that I'm married to it, - just kind of wondering if it's worth any money here in the states.

My son and I found alot more catridge casings with either a F-103 marking or a P-?o3 marking, - sometimes copper (or steel) based on that it's eithe red or green corrosion. They appear to be a dime-a-dozen.

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I've included a pic of the what I call the 'bunker'. It's the cement portion of the shed.
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Edit2:
I just noticed that there's actually a step in diameter at just below the 12 in mark on the ruler. I've looked for pics on the internet, - none have this kind of step.

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#2 Philip Reinders

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Posted 15 August 2011 - 05:01 PM

If I am correct its french Lebel, have found them also at Arnhem/Oosterbeek
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Posted 15 August 2011 - 05:41 PM

Just out of interest any chance of a photo of the bunker?
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#4 gunbunnyB/3/75FA

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Posted 15 August 2011 - 08:20 PM

um, not to second guess any one but i belive that is a round for the sturmgeshwehr 44, which used a shorter round than the standard k98. which of course is german. and was the true father of the ak47.
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#5 Za Rodinu

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Posted 15 August 2011 - 08:43 PM

Hmm, when did the STG44 start being used in significant numbers, Winter 44-45? The Germans were forced from the Leningrad whereabouts in Jan'44, so that seems unlikely.

As for your last statement, what are your reasons?
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Posted 15 August 2011 - 08:50 PM

My guess in that Philip is correct with Lebel. They are really weird with a tapered case plus a bottleneck or shoulder. And rimmed, of course.

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#7 Hyacynth

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Posted 15 August 2011 - 08:58 PM

I checked with hubby and he says it looks like a standard 7.62 x 54 rimmed Russian!

What is the diameter of the rim, that would confirm it

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#8 MikeK6

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Posted 15 August 2011 - 11:21 PM

I added a pict of the bunker.
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#9 Dave55

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Posted 16 August 2011 - 12:39 AM

Hi all,

The Sturmgewehr used a rimless (or recessed rim) cartridge,

I don't believe the picture in the original post is for a Sturmgewehr.

Dave

Sturmgewehr cartridge below

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#10 brit plumber

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Posted 16 August 2011 - 05:18 PM

It is a 8mmx50r, AKA 8mm Lebel. The russian 7.62x54r has near parallel sides.
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