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#1 susana

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Posted 19 July 2009 - 06:55 PM

Please can anyone give me any infomation on the Royal Artillery stationed in Gibralta. I have recently found out my grandfather was in the RGA 1st world war. For some obscure reason i believed my father Albert Henry Ault was in the Middlsex REGT, but he too it appears was in the Royal Artillery. He was stationed in Gibralta and i have tried too find any info i can on my father.
Please any help would be fantasic i dont know his army number or his battalion. He and my mother divorced in the early 1950s sadly he died in the 1870s.

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#2 Drew5233

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Posted 19 July 2009 - 07:10 PM

Hi Susana and welcome to the forum.

There's a few RA chaps on here that will hopefully help you out.

My only knowledge is Gib has it's own Regiment that's native to the land in the main. They were in much demand during the Falklands conflict for their ability to speak Spainish and those that went south in '82 were used as translators.

Oh and the French Air Force bombed Gib in 1940 :)

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#3 susana

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Posted 19 July 2009 - 07:17 PM

That was quick gosh
do you know if the Royal Artillery was in Gibralta world war 2.
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Posted 19 July 2009 - 07:23 PM

I would say most definately yes but most probably in the form of Anti-Aircraft and coastal defence batteries.
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Posted 19 July 2009 - 07:26 PM

World War II

In 1938 the Governor General Sir Edmund Ironside, 1st Baron Ironside formed a Territorial Unit which would be of Artillery to help man the anti-aircraft guns on Gibraltar. The Volunteers paraded for the first time on 28 April 1939. Just before the outbreak of the war, more volunteers were called for and men were allocated to the 4th and 27th Coast Batteries of the Royal Artillery as well as to the Royal Signals, Royal Army Service Corps and Royal Army Medical Corps.

On the 2 September 1939, the Gibraltar Defence Force was mobilised. The Heavy Anti Aircraft section was attached to 19 AA Battery Royal Artillery and deployed with two 3 inch guns to the Admiralty oil tanks, on the east side of the Rock. They fired their first shots in anger on 7 July 1940 and from then on they were often in action against Vichy French and Italian planes, engaging German planes later in the war. They shot down their first enemy aircraft, on the night of the 20 August 1940. The entry in the unit’s War Diary reads as follows:
<TABLE style="BORDER-RIGHT: #aaa 1px solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 4px; BORDER-TOP: #aaa 1px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 4px; FONT-SIZE: 90%; BACKGROUND: #f9f9f9; PADDING-BOTTOM: 4px; MARGIN: 0.5em auto 0.8em; BORDER-LEFT: #aaa 1px solid; WIDTH: 80%; PADDING-TOP: 4px; BORDER-BOTTOM: #aaa 1px solid" cellSpacing=4 cellPadding=4><TBODY><TR><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: left">"Third bombing raid over Gibraltar, first plane came over at 23.30 hours and was picked up by searchlights at the moment of bomb release. It kept a steady course and AA fire was opened. Plane was hit and brought down in the straits".

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In April 1942, the Coastal Defence element was merged with the Anti Aircraft section. Early in 1944 the force was reconstituted under the Defence Force Ordinance 1943. The majority of volunteers were placed on the reserve list, with other sections disbanded.

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#6 susana

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Posted 19 July 2009 - 07:26 PM

Thank you Drew
I will wait and see if any one can give me any more info .

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Posted 19 July 2009 - 07:58 PM

Hello,
Yes the Royal Artillery were based in Gibraltar during the Second World War as there were many many gun batteries on The Rock. The magazine series After The Battle covered Gibraltar in WW 2 and the units stationed there in issue Number 21. I believe it is still available as a back issue. See...
www.afterthebattle.com
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Posted 19 July 2009 - 08:11 PM

Hello Sue
You may find this interesting and want to try some further searching.
British Pathe - "THE KEYS" ON "THE ROCK"

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Posted 20 July 2009 - 07:49 AM

Hi, Sue, I was out on Gib earlier this year, and as well as a load of duty free Cig's I brought back quite a few photos and also the ATB book, and some other interesting bits and piecies.

I will have a look through when I get home tonight and post

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Posted 20 July 2009 - 07:52 AM

http://www.ww2talk.c...tar-images.html

I had already posted a few of them. Doh
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Posted 20 July 2009 - 10:26 PM

Sue, not had a chance to look through the ATB book, but think you will find this helpful

Gibraltar Defence Force
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Posted 20 July 2009 - 10:48 PM

From what I can see, the following RA units were based in Gib.

82 (Essex) Heavy AA Regiment RA(TA) (July 40 - May 43)
18 Defence Regiment RA (Apr 41 - Mar 44)
3 Light AA Regiment RA (Sep 41 - Aug 43)
3 Heavy Regiment RA (Sep 39 - Jan 41) became 3 Coast Regt.
3 Coast Regiment RA (Jan 1941 - )
19 Coast Regiment RA (Dec 42 - Mar 45)
141 Light AA Regiment RA(TA) (Aug 43 - Mar 44)
10 Heavy AA Regiment RA (Dec 39 - Nov 40)
13 Heavy AA Regiment RA (Mar 41 - Dec 42)

Edited by englandphil, 21 July 2009 - 07:55 AM.

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#13 ramacal

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Posted 21 July 2009 - 07:39 AM

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#14 englandphil

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Posted 21 July 2009 - 08:54 AM

Sue, the following are photographs that are in the ATB book on Gib, and are from the IWM.
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There is a map in the centre of the booklet which shows the position of all of the defence positions on the rock, which I will try and scan at some point.

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Posted 22 July 2009 - 08:01 PM

This, may take a while to type up, but the below is a list of the Batteries (Excluding Bofars) on Gibraltar.

PRINCESS CARLONINE'S BATTERY - One 6 inch Mk VIII
TOVEY BATTERY - Two 6 inch Mk VIII
WHITE ROCK AA - Two 3.7 Inch
SIGNAL HILL AA - Two 3 inch 30 CWT
GLACIS AA - Two 3,7 inch
MONTAGUE BASTON AA - Two 3.7 inch
DETATCHED MOLE AA - Two 30 inch 20 CWT
RECLAMATION AA - Four 3,7 Inch
DEVILS GAP BATTERY - Two 6 inch Mk VIII
OIL TANKS - One 6 inch Mk VIII
BREAKNECK BATTERY - One 9.2 inch Mk X on Mk V mounting
LORD AIREY'S BATTERY - One 9.2 inch on Mk VII Mounting
OIL TANKS AA - Two 3.7 inch
MARTINS BATTERY - Two 4 inch QF
O'HARA's BATTERY - One 9.2 Mk X on Mk VII mounting
SPUR BATTERY - One 9.2 Mk X on Mk VII mounting
LEVANT BATTERY - One 9.2 Mk X on Mk V mounting
EUROPA ADVANCE BATTERY - Two 4 inch QF
WINDMILL HILL AA - Four 3.7 inch
BUFFADERO BATTERY - One 9.2 Mk X on Mk V mounting
'P' EMPLACEMENT - Two 9.2 inch Howitzers
SOUTH BATTERY AA - Four 3.7 inch
LIGHTHOUSE AA - Four 3.7 inch
WEST BATTERY - One 9.2 Mk X on Mk V mounting
GENISTA BATTEY - Two 6 inch Mk VIII
NAPIER BATTERY AA - Four 3.7 inch
SOUTH MOLE BATTERY - One 4 inch QF

In addition the following emplacements were placed on the Harbour walls

T.1. - one 6pdr twin mounting
T.2. - one 6pdr twin mounting
T.3. - one 6pdr twin mounting
T.4. - one 6pdr twin mounting
T.5. - one 6pdr twin mounting
T.6. - one 6pdr twin mounting

Also, a total of 34 Bofors sites existed.


British Defenses
Had Operation Felix taken place during January 1941 as planned, what opposition would the attackers have faced?
In September 1939 the garrison comprised two British battalions: 2nd The Kings Regiment and 2nd Somerset Light Infantry. 4th Devonshire arrived in May 1940 and 4th Black Watch in July 1940, so by January 1941 four infantry battalions were in place. (Later in the war this strength grew to 1st and 2nd Gibraltar Brigades with additional battalions.)
3rd Heavy Regiment, Royal Artillery (previously "Gibraltar Coast Defenses" and later redesignated 3rd Coast Regiment) controlled 4th, 26th, and 27th Batteries with 8 x 9.2-inch guns, 7 x 6-inch guns, and 6 x twin 6-pounders. (Artillery strength also grew considerably later in the war.)
In September 1939 two AA batteries, the 9th and 19th, defended Gibraltar from air attack with 4 x 3-inch, 4 x 3.7-inch, and 2 x 40mm guns. HQ 10th AA Regiment was later formed to control the two batteries. The 82nd Heavy AA Regiment arrived in July 1940 with three batteries (156th, 193rd, and 256th) including 16 3.7-inch guns, 8 x 40mm Bofors guns, and the first radar sets. 3rd Searchlight Battery also arrived in July. Some shuffling of assets and re-numbering of units followed (including departure of HQ 10th AA Regiment, but no batteries); however, this AA strength was not further reinforced until March 1941. Because there were no fighters based at Gibraltar during this time (and no facilities for supporting them), AA fire was the only defense against the bombing of Gibraltar

BBC - WW2 People's War - Gibraltar's role in WWII
BBC - WW2 People's War - What life was like on the Rock during the War Years

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Posted 22 July 2009 - 08:13 PM

http://forum.axishis...6b14688916eb56e

http://forum.axishistory.com/download/file.php?id=153693&sid=f747a06c2b7a5c2b46b14688916eb56e

http://forum.axishistory.com/download/file.php?id=155269&sid=f747a06c2b7a5c2b46b14688916eb56e


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#17 Belly

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Posted 14 February 2010 - 07:51 AM

Does anybody know were 114 Battery were stationed on Gib? I have an uncle who served there 3/3/41 to 8/9/43:

I have a few pics of his time there:

http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=203&pictureid=1725

http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=203&pictureid=1722
May 1943 - Gibraltar

http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=203&pictureid=1721
Gibraltar Easter Mon 6/4/1942

http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=203&pictureid=1720
Gibraltar Aug 1942 Gnrs Mallen & Bell
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#18 englandphil

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Posted 14 February 2010 - 09:21 AM

Belly, 114 Battery, I think was with the 3rd light Anti Aircraft Regiment as part of Gibraltar Command, and according to ATB magazine, where equipped with Bofors, of which there was a hell of a lot on the rock. I counted 34

Edited by englandphil, 14 February 2010 - 09:33 AM.

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Posted 14 February 2010 - 12:22 PM

I figure that the RGA had a very long stay in Gibraltar. My grandfather who was an
RSM in the RGA in WW1 had a three year posting there between 1902 and 1905,
so I guess the artillery were there long before that even.
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Posted 16 February 2010 - 10:03 AM

Hi guys, we were in Gibraltar yesterday, hope this isn't taking things off topic? Here's a few pics:

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sorry the last one isn't clearer, I still have the original and can zoom in if you need some more detail.


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Edited by SDaymond, 16 February 2010 - 10:09 AM.

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Posted 26 April 2010 - 12:03 AM

SDaymond. Looking for W.F.TURNER on your last photo of the regiments that served in Gilbraltar.Could you zoom in and send to ethnic2002au@hotmail.com
Would greatly appreciate it,thankyou
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#22 susana

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 08:31 PM

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firstly can I just say My lap top had to be fixed as it crashed and I lost everything. I only found you all again because i just put the royal artillery in gibralta. Up came all this fantastic infomation again forgive me for not replying. I am going to upload a photo of my father in gibralta.


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#23 susana

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 08:45 PM

Hi all me again,
I have been waiting for my dad's army records since last August, apparently it takes 6 to 12 months. I know people are busy but surley not a whole year, the MOD have my money for that year. I suppose I am like a small child, I want I want. As i was always told " you know what what wanted".
Am I bad for thinking It really shouldn't take this long.



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Posted 24 May 2012 - 10:25 PM

Good luck with that Sue - does sound a bit long to me.

While I'm here, I have recently heard from a reliable source that one of the Mk VII 6-inch guns at Ness Battery up here in Orkney came from Gibraltar. This would have been early(ish) 1938.
Does this ring any bells? Or even sound likely?

Cheers,
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#25 susana

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 05:31 PM

Please can anyone give me any infomation on the Royal Artillery stationed in Gibralta. I have recently found out my grandfather was in the RGA 1st world war. For some obscure reason i believed my father Albert Henry Ault was in the Middlsex REGT, but he too it appears was in the Royal Artillery. He was stationed in Gibralta and i have tried too find any info i can on my father.
Please any help would be fantasic i dont know his army number or his battalion. He and my mother divorced in the early 1950s sadly he died in the 1870s.

yours sue ault


Hi all finally after 11 months my fathers army records have arrived he was a gunner in the RA 530 COASTAL REGT. Fantastic records even gives his blood group which is a bonus.


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#26 susana

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 05:42 PM

From what I can see, the following RA units were based in Gib.

82 (Essex) Heavy AA Regiment RA(TA) (July 40 - May 43)
18 Defence Regiment RA (Apr 41 - Mar 44)
3 Light AA Regiment RA (Sep 41 - Aug 43)
3 Heavy Regiment RA (Sep 39 - Jan 41) became 3 Coast Regt.
3 Coast Regiment RA (Jan 1941 - )
19 Coast Regiment RA (Dec 42 - Mar 45)
141 Light AA Regiment RA(TA) (Aug 43 - Mar 44)
10 Heavy AA Regiment RA (Dec 39 - Nov 40)
13 Heavy AA Regiment RA (Mar 41 - Dec 42)


Hello just found out my late father was originaly in the 3rd coast regt and then transfered dec 1942 to the close defence regt. Then redesignated to 19th coast regt 2nd feb 1943. can i ask please he was appointed as a U/L/bombadier can i ask please what this means. His records also give his blood group.

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#27 Rob Dickers

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 10:51 PM

can i ask please he was appointed as a U/L/bombadier can i ask please what this means.

Susanna
He was promoted to Unpaid Lance Bombardier (RA for L/Corpral)
Which means he did'nt get the extra pay thats goes with the rank, they usualy did this for a while then made them P/L/Bombardier (paid). Also near the end of the war if they did'nt need too many NCO's he could be reduced in rank but would'nt lose any money.
Best
Rob

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 08:59 AM

Hi all,
well finally have my fathers army records after a long long wait nearly a year, but well worth the wait. Dad was in the 530 coast regt and also 3rd coast regt. he enlisted on 12/09/1940 and appears to have been atteste and posted to somewhere called the east block house ?. In 1941 he was in the 210 coast battery which was incorperated with the 530. his records also gave me his blood group.


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#29 susana

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 09:32 AM

Hi all,
Long time no write but here goes.
Finally after nearly a whole year I received my fathers army records.
he was originaly posted to the No 2 C.D training battery R A.
On the 14 sept 1940 he was posted to somewhere called the east blockhouse ?
on the 10th oct 1940 he then went to 210 coast battery ? In 1941 210 coast battery was incorperated into the 530 coast regt. It was here he was posted to R.A depot woolwich pending embarkation. When he reached gibralta he disembarked and was posted to the 27th coast battery. He appears to go from regt to regt . his papers even give his blood group. also interesting are all the names of officers with their signatures. it is all very facinating but some of it I dont quite understand.

:D sue
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