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#1 Owen

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Posted 12 January 2009 - 11:02 PM

I have been asked by a new member from France what I know about two Gordon Highlanders buried in the village his in-laws live in.
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In the small church yard are burried two gordon highlanders of the 2nd bn, and I am looking abaout informations of what happened the 27th of august 1944 date of death.


They are buried in TOURNEDOS-SUR-SEINE COMMUNAL CEMETERY.
They are,
GAZZARD, HERBERT, H Private 1567981Gordon Highlanders27/08/194431


TURNBULL, THOMAS, T Private 14235431Gordon Highlanders27/08/194422



This is all I have.
From Patrick Delaforce, "Monty's Northern Legions" and "After The Battle" issue 119.
I'm assuming they were killed when their boat was shot up and their bodies floated down stream .

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Edited by Owen, 12 January 2009 - 11:45 PM.
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#2 alain cauchy

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Posted 12 January 2009 - 11:24 PM

thanks a lot
I analyse and I come back

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Posted 13 January 2009 - 08:08 AM

As mentioned I have the regimental history and possibly some war diaries. Will come back later when I am at my desktop.
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#4 alain cauchy

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Posted 13 January 2009 - 10:42 AM

All is very interesting.
I shall go to the places of the pictures, to morrow.
I have "the life of a regiment" (IE the 15ème scottish), coming from the Higlanders Museum of Aberdeen. But They told me at this museum that they don't hold the 2nd Bn Gordon Highlanders diary. Despite of my efforts I can't found it.
They were seven GH burried around this place, dead the 27 th august 44, because of the assult of the crossing of the Seine between Vironvay and the Mesnil d'Andé.
I was missing of detals of the crossing at portejoie.

You say that I could open a main forum, I shall try...

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Posted 13 January 2009 - 10:56 AM

If you can get someone to visit The National archives in London, they can look up the war diary.

WO 166/15101
2 Gordon Highlanders
Covering dates1944 Jan.-Dec.

WO 171/1300
2 Gordon Highlanders
Covering dates1944 Jan.-Dec.

I don't understand why the same war diary has different catalogue numbers.
Maybe one of our members who are going to TNA could look it up?
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Posted 13 January 2009 - 11:01 AM

Here are all 2nd GORDONS dead for 27/08/1944
click the number on the left to go to CWGC entry

001 ALLEN, SR 14002896 27/08/1944
002 ALLUM, CJ 14622952 27/08/1944
003 BALDWIN, A 2879357 27/08/1944
004 BAXTER, AR 14438354 27/08/1944
005 BLAIR, GL 14704305 27/08/1944
006 BURDETT, A 1539465 27/08/1944
007 BURTON, WT 14415392 27/08/1944
008 CAIRNS, C 2988128 27/08/1944
009 CHISHOLM, F 323718 27/08/1944
010 CRUICKSHANK, DM 2890571 27/08/1944
011 DALY, T 14326552 27/08/1944
012 DOHERTY, J 1537212 27/08/1944
013 FORREST, A 2890119 27/08/1944
014 FREEMAN, J 14708878 27/08/1944
015 GAZZARD, H 1567981 27/08/1944
016 GETHEN, JS 14710702 27/08/1944
017 GRANT, WG 14717571 27/08/1944
018 HEPBURN, WG 14591078 27/08/1944
019 HUNTER, DB 14644216 27/08/1944
020 IRONSIDE, JA 2890515 27/08/1944
021 KING, JR 14497104 27/08/1944
022 LAWRENCE, W 1691316 27/08/1944
023 LEIGH, W 2886841 27/08/1944
024 LOCKHART, T 14212153 27/08/1944
025 MARSHALL, M 3315358 27/08/1944
026 MCATEER, J 14678440 27/08/1944
027 MCCONNACHIE, JB 14686220 27/08/1944
028 PALMER, J 2886865 27/08/1944
029 READ, H 14390645 27/08/1944
030 REID, J 14698659 27/08/1944
031 SCOTT, A 2888055 27/08/1944
032 SCOTT, GEB 14382901 27/08/1944
033 SIVES, RNB 14408831 27/08/1944
034 SMITH, J 14698671 27/08/1944
035 SPENCE, DR 137924 27/08/1944
036 TINDALL, RMM 164893 27/08/1944
037 TURNBULL, T 14235431 27/08/1944
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Posted 13 January 2009 - 04:21 PM

As promised, an extract from The Life of a Regiment Volume V: The Gordon Highlanders 1919-1945 by Wilfred Miles (Aberdeen University Press 1961).

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Posted 13 January 2009 - 04:21 PM

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Posted 13 January 2009 - 04:22 PM

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Posted 13 January 2009 - 04:22 PM

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Posted 13 January 2009 - 04:23 PM

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#12 alain cauchy

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Posted 13 January 2009 - 04:28 PM

I shall have a look at TNA's site because I know that they can send documents by mail.
can you explain me the meaning of the 2 numbers after the date of birth 27 08 194431 or 22

I have send a lettrer to all the people called Turnbull in Aberdeen and Gazzard in yorkshire, and I had only one respons of a person called Turnbull and who explain me that all the members of the family is dead.
Is it posible in England to have what we call in france "un extrait de naissance", with all the events of a person (birth, marriage etc) ?

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Posted 13 January 2009 - 04:46 PM

it is amazing what you found so quickly !
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Posted 13 January 2009 - 11:28 PM

can you explain me the meaning of the 2 numbers after the date of birth 27 08 194431 or 22

Ah Alain, your computer must be displaying the information differently to mine.
Click that number & it will take you to the webpage of the CWGC .

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Posted 30 January 2009 - 04:22 PM

Hi,

it is the fiirst time that I see the expression : "operation gallop".
Is it the name gave for the pursuit from Falaise to the seine, or the operation to the Rhine ?

in limbo : it is true that the crossing of the seine at saint pierre du Vauvray was oftently forgatten in the differents books or documents despite of the number of death.


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